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SHAKSPER 2008: A Problem of Access
From: Hardy M. Cook (editor@SHAKSPER.NET) Date: 05/15/08
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 19.0295 Thursday, 15 May 2008 [1] From: Gabriel Egan <mail@GabrielEgan.com> Date: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 17:43:52 +0100 Subj: Re: SHK 19.0291 A Problem of Access [2] From: Donald Bloom <dbloom@asms.net> Date: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 11:58:21 -0500 Subj: RE: SHK 19.0291 A Problem of Access [1]----------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gabriel Egan <mail@GabrielEgan.com> Date: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 17:43:52 +0100 Subject: 19.0291 A Problem of Access Comment: Re: SHK 19.0291 A Problem of Access Regarding copy-right of journal articles, John Briggs's point make no sense to me: >That should really only be an American problem. (US copyright >law doesn't recognise a copyright in the typographical arrangement, >which is the publisher's copyright in an edition. Having said that, >American publishers and authors seem to regard copyright as >only applying to specific editions anyway, so it may amount to >the same thing.) The works under discussion are original compositions of journal article writers, not "editions." If there's a subtler point at stake here, I'm afraid I miss it. >No, what you should grant are "First serial rights". Such (literally) nice distinctions are well on the way to obsolescence, and the publishers know it. Once their grip on authors' copy-right is weakened -- and there's a strong worldwide movement to break it -- the transition from 'exclusive' to 'non-exclusive' rights ought to be easier. (Hardy has informed me that gangs of hyphens now make it through his macros unmolested, and I've got some hyphenating to catch up on. So "copy-right" it is!) Larry Weiss can't see why someone would argue for authors giving publishers an 'exclusive right to publish' instead of signing over their copy-right: >Huh? A copyright *is* the exclusive right to publish. Frankly, I've read the two licence forms carefully and I can't make out the practical difference either. But Taylor and Francis were adamant that 'exclusive right to publish' is a lesser form in their eyes, so there's presumably a subtlety here that I can't see. For my purposes, the idea that it's a stepping stone to 'non-exclusive right to publish' is sufficient recommendation. I am reliably informed by those in the Open Access movement who can tell the difference between the two licences that the copy-right assignment is even more invidious than that transfer of exclusive rights. But I confess to having this on trust. Larry goes on: >I am surprised that UK publishers (including it appears >the ones to whom Gabriel is under contract) are more >heavy handed. I believe that with over 1,000 current journals and 1,800 new books a year, Taylor and Francis considers itself an international outfit. Happily, though, as co-editor I am not contracted to it at all. In my experiences with them, Taylor and Francis have not been in the slightest bit heavy-handed, and for an industry experiencing extraordinarily fast transformations of its business models, I must say that on a personal level publishers have (so far) always struck me as decent and conscientious professionals. (Mind you, for all I know that might be true of Royal Dutch Shell too, and they really are corporately evil.) I'm grateful to Daniel Traister for posting that explanation of Institutional Repositories, which I hope convinced people that they are a good thing. Gabriel Egan [2]----------------------------------------------------------------- From: Donald Bloom <dbloom@asms.net> Date: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 11:58:21 -0500 Subject: 19.0291 A Problem of Access Comment: RE: SHK 19.0291 A Problem of Access Some years ago, in one of the recurrent discussions of this matter, someone pointed out that the idea of protecting intellectual property makes no sense when there is no money involved. You publish an article in a scholarly journal not to make money but to get what you consider an interesting and valuable idea out to the scholarly world. Nobody makes any money -- writers, editors, or the universities that subsidize the journals. The only protection you need is against plagiarism. But publishing electronically provides much better protection than publishing in print. Your priority in the presentation of a given idea is established as soon as you put it onto a searchable site. What else do you care about? If we dropped print journals altogether the one expense in scholarly publication would be eliminated and you could do away with copyright issues in that area completely. don _______________________________________________________________ S H A K S P E R: The Global Shakespeare Discussion List Hardy M. Cook, editor@shaksper.net The S H A K S P E R Web Site <http://www.shaksper.net> DISCLAIMER: Although SHAKSPER is a moderated discussion list, the opinions expressed on it are the sole property of the poster, and the editor assumes no responsibility for them.
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