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The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1441  Thursday, 1 September 2005

[1] 	From: 	Marcus Dahl <marcus@blackheartstudios.co.uk>
	Date: 	Tuesday, 30 Aug 2005 16:55:14 +0100 (BST)
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 16.1429 Wager

[2] 	From: 	Martin Steward <martinsteward@ntlworld.com>
	Date: 	Thursday, 1 Sep 2005 11:30:31 +0100
	Subj: 	SHK 16.1429 Wager


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From: 		Marcus Dahl <marcus@blackheartstudios.co.uk>
Date: 		Tuesday, 30 Aug 2005 16:55:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: 16.1429 Wager
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1429 Wager

Dear All,

I don't want anyone to think I am supporting the Shakespearean-ness of 
1RichII/Woodstock - BUT

it does seem to me that *either way* you call the texts (by its title 
page title no.1 or 2) that the issue is rather subjective.

Al Margary's listing of alternative quarto titles etc is only 
confirmation of the fact that titles are rather subjective and subject 
to rhetorical use. Anyone who has ever looked at Henslowe's Diary will 
be aware that debate still rages about exactly which texts Henslowe 
refers to in his diary (both those with Shakespearean titles - Shrew, 
Hamlet, Harey vj etc) and those not. Henslowe is notoriously vague.

Given the fact that Gary Taylor famously used the Q1 title of 1HVI 
(rather than the Folio title) in his re-branded Oxford ed. of the 
Shakespeare Works - it will be apparent that titles have rhetorical 
value which is not necessarily rendered more 'objective' by either 
precedence of use, nature of argument (pro or against Shakespearean 
authorship) or textual origin (Folio or Quarto).

I say that at least '1RichII' is clear and has textual precedent, 
whereas 'Woodstock' is editorially later and rather misleading. Again I 
re-iterate - which play does Al read? 'Twelfe Night' or 'What You Will'?

All best,
Marcus

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From: 		Martin Steward <martinsteward@ntlworld.com>
Date: 		Thursday, 1 Sep 2005 11:30:31 +0100
Subject: Wager
Comment: 	SHK 16.1429 Wager

The suggested procedure has been abandoned, but the rest of the list 
ought still to be able to have their fun.

My vote goes to Ward Elliott.

Anyone else prepared to contribute to the survey?

m

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