SHAKSPER 2005: Shylock, Hamlet, et al.

From: Hardy M. Cook (editor@shaksper.net)
Date: 08/29/05 

The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 16.1418  Monday, 29 August 2005

[1] 	From: 	Bill Arnold <barnold_pb@yahoo.com>
	Date: 	Friday, 26 Aug 2005 12:15:45 -0700 (PDT)
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 16.1409 Shylock, Hamlet, et al.

[2] 	From: 	Joseph Egert <quixote46@hotmail.com>
	Date: 	Friday, 26 Aug 2005 20:17:00 +0000
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 16.1409 Shylock, Hamlet, et al.

[3] 	From: 	Florence Amit <florence_amit@hotmail.com>
	Date: 	Saturday, 27 Aug 2005 08:26:05 +0300
	Subj: 	Re: SHK 16.1395 Shylock, Hamlet, et al.


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From: 		Bill Arnold <barnold_pb@yahoo.com>
Date: 		Friday, 26 Aug 2005 12:15:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 16.1409 Shylock, Hamlet, et al.
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1409 Shylock, Hamlet, et al.

Kenneth Chan writes, "Anyway, my apologies if I had failed to express 
myself clearly. Kindly allow me to try saying what I mean again: We tend 
to miss Shakespeare's messages because they are generally of a deep 
spiritual nature. Most of us do not live in accordance with the 
spiritual principles that the messages convey...Without the need to make 
changes in our lives, we have no problem recognizing the messages of 
these other authors. Shakespeare's messages, on the other hand, are 
specifically aimed at getting us to change, so we may have problems 
acknowledging them. I hope this makes my meaning clearer."

OK, Kenneth Chan, if I read you correctly you are arguing that Will 
Shakespeare was a preacher and his plays are sermons, right?

Now, I acknowledge, based on my comments on SHAKSPER, and in my book, 
Jesus: The Gospel According To Will, that Will Shakespeare wrote plays 
and sonnets "of a deep spiritual nature."  And some have confused my 
remarks, along the way, with the idea that I somehow find his writings 
as sermons.  But, alas, I do not.  I find his writings as I find them, 
plays and sonnets, "of a deep spiritual nature."  I do not believe that 
he was aiming them at people as sermons.

Bill Arnold
http://www.cwru.edu/affil/edis/scholars/arnold.htm

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From: 		Joseph Egert <quixote46@hotmail.com>
Date: 		Friday, 26 Aug 2005 20:17:00 +0000
Subject: 16.1409 Shylock, Hamlet, et al.
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1409 Shylock, Hamlet, et al.

John W. Kennedy professes unfamiliarity with any theory connecting 
Cerdig and King Arthur.

The guilty speculators include:

      1) John C. and Joseph W. Rudmin, "Arthur, Cerdic, and the 
Formation of Wessex" (1993)
              http://camelot.celtic-twilight.com/rudmin/       (full text)

      2) John C. and Joeph W. Rudmin 1996 article in:
           JOURNAL OF MYTH, FANTASY, AND ROMANTICISM, Vol. 4 (Issues 1 & 
2) pp 61-92
              (April-Oct 1996).

      3) Andrew Godsell 2002 web essay: "Cerdic and King Arthur"
              http://freespace.virgin.net/andrew.godsell/index.html 
(full text), and

      4) ARTHURNET discussions involving the above guilty parties, 
abetted by Dan Hunt, and
          mercilessly prosecuted by Norman Hinton. Here are some 
representative posts:
 
http://lists.mun.ca/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9809C&L=ARTHURNET&P=R1219&I=3
 
http://lists.mun.ca/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0003A&L=ARTHURNET&P=R636&I=3

Enjoy!
Joe Egert

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From: 		Florence Amit <florence_amit@hotmail.com>
Date: 		Saturday, 27 Aug 2005 08:26:05 +0300
Subject: 16.1395 Shylock, Hamlet, et al.
Comment: 	Re: SHK 16.1395 Shylock, Hamlet, et al.

Joseph Egert asks 'who is Hamlet's father?'. The most obvious answer to 
that one in consideration of his religiosity and the inclusion of his 
"prophetic soul" is that Hamlet's father is God. However I like to 
remember the latest and strongest transfiguration of the character - 
Luther. In that context the father of Luther is referred to by Hamlet's 
comment of "old mole". Luther's father was a miner.

Florence Amit

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