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SHAKSPER 2003: Re: A Dream of Hanoi
From: Hardy M. Cook (editor@shaksper.net) Date: 04/30/03
The Shakespeare Conference: SHK 14.0819 Wednesday, 30 April 2003 From: Don Bloom <dbloom@asms.net> Date: Tuesday, 29 Apr 2003 09:44:33 -0500 Subject: 14.0773 Re: A Dream of Hanoi Comment: Re: SHK 14.0773 Re: A Dream of Hanoi Since this unfortunate dog has gotten up and started across the street again, let's run over it once more. There strike me as two problems with the original statement (linking Calvinism and capitalism in a causal relationship),. In the first case, what is meant by "capitalism"? Strictly speaking, the term means the investment of money in a business enterprise in exchange for a share of any profits the business generates. It may also, secondarily, refer to a form of gambling whereby one buys and sells these shares as their value increases or decreases. But it doesn't appear to have a great deal to do with the theology of John Calvin. Now the term may be used in some quasi-marxian sense as more or less equivalent to industrialism, and from that it may serve as a kind of shorthand for the ethos of callous and greedy industrial plutocrats who exploit helpless workers, pollute the environment, and congratulate themselves in their luxurious clubs. Bounderby, for instance. Or those fat, ugly gents in silk hats carrying bags of $$$. But this sense needs to be made clear to people like me. In the second case, what is meant by "calvinism"? Presumably we mean the interlocked theology, polity and liturgy written up by John Calvin in the 16th Century. But to set these writings up as causal they cannot be merely associated with something (such as capitalism), they must be shown to have a unique relationship so that B couldn't have happened if A had not, and we must be sure that both are not results of some other cause. The quotation offered > > But if the disasters and miseries which press us happen > > without the agency of men, let us call to mind the doctrine > > of the Law, (Deu 28: 1) that all prosperity has its source > > in the blessing of God, that all adversity is his curse. > > (I, 17, ix) though interesting, is scarcely definitive. Did the Roman, Lutheran and Anglican churches interpret Deuteronomy 28 (which is certainly very clear, if rather horrifying) differently? If not, and if (as I suspect is the case) they had very much the same interpretation, and the same attitude toward the wretched of the earth, then the quotation is irrelevant. Also, where is this vast influence of Calvinism supposed to have come from? The countries it dominated (Scotland, the Netherlands, Switzerland) were hardly the major players in 18th and 19th century European economics. They were not unimportant but also not major. The Scots, as part of Great Britain, made a good deal of impact -- but that was because they were linked to the much larger English economy. (And, it could be argued, the Scottish influence came mainly from the least Calvinistic Scots.) You can say likewise that certain values that were highly prized by people who belonged to Calvinistic denominations (such as, thrift, hard work, and education) were also highly prized by those involved in the industrial revolution. But those are fundamental bourgeois values and by no means the exclusive property of Calvinists, so that the idea of Calvinism "causing" these values and then "causing" the industrial revolution (which we are apparently equating with the development of capitalism) strikes me as completely unwarranted. "The devil a Puritan that he is, or anything constantly but a time-pleaser . . ." Cheers, don _______________________________________________________________ S H A K S P E R: The Global Shakespeare Discussion List Hardy M. Cook, editor@shaksper.net The S H A K S P E R Web Site <http://www.shaksper.net> DISCLAIMER: Although SHAKSPER is a moderated discussion list, the opinions expressed on it are the sole property of the poster, and the editor assumes no responsibility for them.
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